From thompsa at freebsd.org Sun Mar 18 16:20:40 2007 From: thompsa at freebsd.org (Andrew Thompson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:20:40 +1200 Subject: [nzfug-general] Summer of Code In-Reply-To: <474078f80703181235n46026729gc358d33c7d65f3b4@mail.gmail.com> References: <474078f80703181235n46026729gc358d33c7d65f3b4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070318202040.GA18297@heff.fud.org.nz> Google is sponsoring students this summer to work on open source software. This program provides $4500 in funding to allow students to spend the summer working with mentors from the open source community on specific projects. The FreeBSD Project is one of many participating open source organizations that provides a long list of example proposals and extensive mentoring and support to help students complete their summer goals. Students need have no prior relationship with the open source project in order to submit a proposal, but it is strongly suggested that students work with members of the project to help craft a proposal. If you or someone you know would be interested in this program, please visit the FreeBSD Summer of Code website at : http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode.html There you will find a large list of interesting projects in diverse areas of modern Unix operating system development. Some example tasks involve writing a TCP/IP regression test suite, working on the USB and Firewire kernel support, improving the IPv6 support in userland utilities, and much more. You will also find a list of senior developers who have agreed to act as mentors to interested students. Once you have identified a project and a mentor, you should complete a proposal and submit it to Google before the March 24 deadline. From leety at ihug.co.nz Mon Mar 19 03:11:26 2007 From: leety at ihug.co.nz (LEE Tet Yoon) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:11:26 +1200 Subject: [nzfug-general] Summer of Code Message-ID: <5fsm45$hrkmd8@ironport3.ihug.co.nz> At 08:20 a.m. 19/03/2007, you wrote: >Google is sponsoring students this summer to work on open source >software. This program provides $4500 in funding to allow students to >spend the summer working with mentors from the open source community on >specific projects. The FreeBSD Project is one of many participating >open source organizations that provides a long list of example proposals >and extensive mentoring and support to help students complete their >summer goals. > >Students need have no prior relationship with the open source project in >order to submit a proposal, but it is strongly suggested that students >work with members of the project to help craft a proposal. If you or >someone you know would be interested in this program, please visit the >FreeBSD Summer of Code website at : > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode.html > >There you will find a large list of interesting projects in diverse >areas of modern Unix operating system development. Some example tasks >involve writing a TCP/IP regression test suite, working on the USB and >Firewire kernel support, improving the IPv6 support in userland >utilities, and much more. > >You will also find a list of senior developers who have agreed to act as >mentors to interested students. Once you have identified a project and >a mentor, you should complete a proposal and submit it to Google before >the March 24 deadline. Not that I qualify or am interested but is this going to require students to code in winter (i.e. while they're at university) again? I wrote to them before and they said they did want to include southern hemisphere students but I don't see anything to indicate they do have options for southern hemisphere students (although I couldn't find any info on requires completion dates) From thompsa at freebsd.org Mon Mar 19 05:32:12 2007 From: thompsa at freebsd.org (Andrew Thompson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:32:12 +1200 Subject: [nzfug-general] Summer of Code In-Reply-To: <5fsm45$hrkmd8@ironport3.ihug.co.nz> References: <5fsm45$hrkmd8@ironport3.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <20070319093212.GC18297@heff.fud.org.nz> On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:11:26PM +1200, LEE Tet Yoon wrote: > At 08:20 a.m. 19/03/2007, you wrote: > >Google is sponsoring students this summer to work on open source > >software. This program provides $4500 in funding to allow students to > >spend the summer working with mentors from the open source community on > >specific projects. The FreeBSD Project is one of many participating > >open source organizations that provides a long list of example proposals > >and extensive mentoring and support to help students complete their > >summer goals. > > > >Students need have no prior relationship with the open source project in > >order to submit a proposal, but it is strongly suggested that students > >work with members of the project to help craft a proposal. If you or > >someone you know would be interested in this program, please visit the > >FreeBSD Summer of Code website at : > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/summerofcode.html > > > >There you will find a large list of interesting projects in diverse > >areas of modern Unix operating system development. Some example tasks > >involve writing a TCP/IP regression test suite, working on the USB and > >Firewire kernel support, improving the IPv6 support in userland > >utilities, and much more. > > > >You will also find a list of senior developers who have agreed to act as > >mentors to interested students. Once you have identified a project and > >a mentor, you should complete a proposal and submit it to Google before > >the March 24 deadline. > > Not that I qualify or am interested but is this going to require > students to code in winter (i.e. while they're at university) again? I > wrote to them before and they said they did want to include southern > hemisphere students but I don't see anything to indicate they do have > options for southern hemisphere students (although I couldn't find any > info on requires completion dates) They dont? I always thought it was just open to everyone. Oh well. From dan at langille.org Mon Mar 19 07:20:08 2007 From: dan at langille.org (Dan Langille) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:20:08 -0400 Subject: [nzfug-general] Summer of Code In-Reply-To: <5fsm45$hrkmd8@ironport3.ihug.co.nz> References: <5fsm45$hrkmd8@ironport3.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: <45FE39A8.11175.E717D01@dan.langille.org> On 19 Mar 2007 at 19:11, LEE Tet Yoon wrote: > At 08:20 a.m. 19/03/2007, you wrote: > >Google is sponsoring students this summer to work on open source > >software. This program provides $4500 in funding to allow students to > >spend the summer working with mentors from the open source community on > >specific projects. The FreeBSD Project is one of many participating > >open source organizations that provides a long list of example proposals > >and extensive mentoring and support to help students complete their > >summer goals. > Not that I qualify or am interested but is this going to require > students to code in winter (i.e. while they're at university) again? You say that as if there is a problem with that... To answer your questions I started with this search: site:freebsd.org summer of code This led me to the following links: http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html http://code.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=10442 http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60325&topic=10729 > I wrote to them before and they said they did want to include southern > hemisphere students but I don't see anything to indicate they do have > options for southern hemisphere students (although I couldn't find any > info on requires completion dates) Southern hemisphere students are not excluded. Rilson Nascimento lives in Brazil. He was a SoC student in 2006. He is coming to PGCon to speak. Google is a big sponsor of this event. http://www.pgcon.org/2007/schedule/events/15.en.html http://www.pgcon.org/2007/sponsors.php -- Dan Langille : Software Developer looking for work my resume: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php PGCon - The PostgreSQL Conference - http://www.pgcon.org/ From leety at ihug.co.nz Mon Mar 19 09:34:01 2007 From: leety at ihug.co.nz (LEE Tet Yoon) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:34:01 +1200 Subject: [nzfug-general] Summer of Code In-Reply-To: <45FE39A8.11175.E717D01@dan.langille.org> References: <5fsm45$hrkmd8@ironport3.ihug.co.nz> <45FE39A8.11175.E717D01@dan.langille.org> Message-ID: <5fsm4b$muko4e@ironport5.ihug.co.nz> At 11:20 p.m. 19/03/2007, you wrote: >On 19 Mar 2007 at 19:11, LEE Tet Yoon wrote: > >> At 08:20 a.m. 19/03/2007, you wrote: >> >Google is sponsoring students this summer to work on open source >> >software. This program provides $4500 in funding to allow students to >> >spend the summer working with mentors from the open source community on >> >specific projects. The FreeBSD Project is one of many participating >> >open source organizations that provides a long list of example proposals >> >and extensive mentoring and support to help students complete their >> >summer goals. > >> Not that I qualify or am interested but is this going to require >> students to code in winter (i.e. while they're at university) again? > >You say that as if there is a problem with that... > >To answer your questions I started with this search: > > site:freebsd.org summer of code > >This led me to the following links: > >http://www.freebsd.org/news/newsflash.html >http://code.google.com/support/bin/topic.py?topic=10442 >http://code.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=60325&topic=10729 I did look a bit at the Google site including the FAQ but couldn't find anything. Either I missed the deadline thing (most likely) or it was recently added. I was fairly tired at the time I was doing this, and I wasn't looking that hard since I didn't really care much. The only reason I remarked on this was because it was something I noticed before (hence the reason I e-mailed someone at Google), and since this was NZfug I thought someone would know. And I also thought NZ students would want to know that summer of code means northern hemisphere summer of code. >> I wrote to them before and they said they did want to include southern >> hemisphere students but I don't see anything to indicate they do have >> options for southern hemisphere students (although I couldn't find any >> info on requires completion dates) > >Southern hemisphere students are not excluded. Rilson Nascimento >lives in Brazil. He was a SoC student in 2006. He is coming to >PGCon to speak. Google is a big sponsor of this event. > > http://www.pgcon.org/2007/schedule/events/15.en.html > http://www.pgcon.org/2007/sponsors.php Sorry I didn't phrase that very well. I wasn't trying to say southern hemisphere students were excluded. Southern hemisphere students can & obviously do participate in the summer of code even if they're coding in winter. What I was trying to say was the previous years timetable, as does this timetable, requires southern hemisphere students to code during winter not summer. And yes, I do think it's a problem that the timetable requires students to code during the winter and so did the person I e-mailed at Google and said person also mentioned they we still looking at ways to improve the program (which was what I was trying to say). My understanding is the reason why it's called summer of code is because the idea is that students code during the summer break, which tends to be a long one in temperate countries ala the US, most of Europe, Oz, NZ etc. In NZ of course, this summer break occurs from December to February or thereabouts. Of course some students may be more busy during this time then during the semesters and some may take summer semester and there are some courses and institutions which don't follow the norm etc etc. But predominantly I would guess, many students will be more free during the summer time then winter. And some may choose to participate in something like the summer of code instead of studentships or temp jobs etc. For this reason, I strongly suspect more students from the southern hemisphere would be likely to participate if there was an option for them to actually code in the summer. As such, an option for such students to code during the summer rather then the winter would IMHO help to attract the interest of (include) such students and from what I can tell, they don't yet have anything of that sort. Of course breaks to vary somewhat in most northern hemisphere countries too, not all necessary have long summer ones and the time these breaks start & end depend on the country and institution. And then there are the tropical ones like Malaysia which don't have summers so don't follow such a schedule anyway. (In fact I pointed this out to the person I e-mailed.) So I'm not suggesting the current schedule is perfect for even non-southern hemisphere students. Obviously there is no way a reasonably strict timetable can be perfect for everyone and I can guess why they would want to have a reasonably strict timetable. Also, I can easily imagine many reasons of the reason why it's not such a simple task to have different coding periods. But I wasn't trying to debate this issue as such, simply point it out to others. Sorry for any misunderstanding due to my poorly worded e-mail. Cheers